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Refactoring LIVE – In conversation with Rands

Luca Rossi sits down with Michael Lopp, aka Rands, to explore engineering leadership in the age of AI.

Guests: Michael Lopp

Hosted by Luca Rossi

Michael Lopp and Luca Rossi live podcast
June 26, 2026
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As AI changes how engineering teams work, the people side of leadership only gets more important.

In this session, Luca Rossi (Founder, Refactoring) sits down with Michael Lopp aka Rands, a veteran engineering leader whose career spans Apple, Slack, and Pinterest, and the author of Managing Humans and The Art of Leadership, to dig into what managing humans in the age of AI really looks like.

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  • Luca Rossi
    Luca Rossi

    Luca Rossi is the founder of Refactoring — a newsletter and podcast with 150,000+ subscribers, about writing good software and working well with humans.

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